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okay I get

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welcome to Sputnik orbiting the world

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with me George Galloway and me gatri

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newspapers are fast going out of

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business or into irrelevance though not

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until the last editor is strangled with

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the last copy of the last Edition will

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we truly be free some become websites

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some keep talking without anybody

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listening just for the prestige and the

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invitations to the Palace all are losing

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money if the truth be told there are

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many reasons for this and not all to do

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with the Internet it's true that cutting

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down trees on which to print news that

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has been updated by RT many times in the

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hours since you went to print is very

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last century but the problem lies in the

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lies they call news in the first place

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everybody always knew that newspapers

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held a torch for the views of their

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Proprietors and that was tolerable as

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long as those views were vaguely

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tolerable in recent years however as

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Proprietors almost all foreign and tax

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avoiders to boot grew uglier and their

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views more repugnant and as their

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hirelings became ever more transparently

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slavish less people bought them and

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fewer of those who did believe the word

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that was written in them just a time

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then to open a new newspaper but that's

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what happened following a meeting in a

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pop in rdale earlier this year Alan

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Davis had been a professional

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photographer and had never worked in

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print media before but he felt the need

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to preach the word the new arrival by

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that very name has burst on the scene

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with a Vengeance and Alan Davis joins us

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now Alan welcome to the Sputnik this is

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probably the time I should tell you that

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I've lost more money publishing

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newspapers than anybody in Britain today

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I've been the

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proprietor well no he he actually uh

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makes money but uh newspapers are a

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pretty quick way of losing your shirt

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what makes you think this word is going

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to be any different well firstly we're a

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Cooperative um it's not own by any one

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person we've set it up in such a way

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that it never be owned by any one person

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uh everyone has an equal share in it and

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we're a very loose Cooperative that's

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been brought together by Facebook from

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people all over the country who have

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similar views about what's going on in

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the Press uh it won't make any money but

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it won't lose money because all we've

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got is the printing costs that we offset

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against the sales uh every one who works

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and includ themselves

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voluntary well uh all of that sounds

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great in theory uh my guess is you'll

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end up um paying some of the printing

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costs yourself unless you've got the

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secret to breaking out across the

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country and you seem to have done a good

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job uh looked at your distribution list

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seems to be quite far flung uh whereas I

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had thought it was concentrated in the

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in the Northwest how have you managed to

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obtain that level of coverage well we

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started off by crowdfunding um we

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started off first of all there's a

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meeting in a pub in rochow we met in the

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bour pub which is next to the old

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pioneers Museum where the Cooperative

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movement started so we thought that was

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symbolic and there'll be a blue FL

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hopefully next to that uh four of us

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turned up at the first meeting um wasn't

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that popular within certain edel on of

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the labor party uh we called out on

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against the tourers and just reached out

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that group um put the ideas of what we

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were going to do uh we voted on

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everything that was possible to vote on

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including the name of the newspaper uh

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uh we kept as Democratic as possible and

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we got it out there we knew because um

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I'd had a news agent years ago I worked

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in news agent I knew the distribution

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was a cartel between Smith and Menses in

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this country and the only way to break

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that is just to keep a really big hold

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on the distribution people because they

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politically um kind of sinister I think

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they're just inept because they are a

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cartel they don't answer to anyone so

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manager um for this group into a

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Facebook group and we said right you

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answer questions his name John M said

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you answer questions we we we can't do

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it while there isn't a paper in a shop

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one in sundland you tell them yourself

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we keep a very tight rain on it so it is

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available across the country but even

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for instance um wh Smiths like to charge

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you several thousands just for the

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pleasure of putting it on their shelves

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which is kind of baly when you think

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about it um but the only why I I did

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this was I thought so where have you

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where where do you print the actual

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paper it's printed by the mirror group

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in what and they have nothing to do with

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the distribution um they've not really

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any help with the distrib distribution

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person it's always going to be us menes

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and you haven't got a choice okay how do

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you deal with the point that was

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implicitly made by us in the

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introduction that newspapers per se

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whatever their political stripe are last

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century that when you can go on to a

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website that is being updated constantly

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throughout the day why would you buy

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special a weekly newspaper which is

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going to be really completely out of

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date well several answers to that

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firstly you can turn off Facebook or you

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can turn off anything of the internet

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and we we've seen that you know that's

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that's a regular on Facebook and see how

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they can switch posts off not allow post

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to come through if it's physical and in

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your hands it becomes a sort of meeting

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point you know people can actually you

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you can't edit what's already there once

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it's there and it's also there's lots of

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other Facebook news groups but this kind

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of hopefully will bring it together uh

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as some kind of focal point for real the

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uh politics of are are clear enough and

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it a niche I hope it's not too small a

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niche uh that Jeremy Corbin has several

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hundred thousand uh supporters at the

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very least in the labor party in Britain

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market for you is it it's slow work um

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crowdfund to do that and by the way with

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crowdfunding again now uh crowdfunder UK

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we're trying to up the um number of days

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that we can go out but if you look at

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Jeremy Corbin's Facebook page likes I

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600,000 Jeremy coin's actually got the

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people there um and you look at some of

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the papers even ostensibly the Corbin

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supporting mirror had a headline not so

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long ago Corbin must go now if that's

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the leftwing Press now the Morning Star

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Morning Star but it's not a tabloid and

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what we're trying to do is something

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that's uh perhaps for people who haven't

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got into politics and hopefully as we go

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down the line they might pick it up and

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think oh that's an interesting read

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that's a bit different and um that's why

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we have cartoons EXA it's quite

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comprehensive in that sense you've got

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cartoons you've got Sports you've got

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and we're trying to make it so

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eventually uh it might sound silly but

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support ukip because they've just read

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the constant drip drip drip of the media

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and television telling them it's all

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about this it's all about that well

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balanced they might think oh well done I

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saw that on the BBC and that a true

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because they've got the figures in here

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so that's the idea of it and has I mean

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it's not the word of the Lord but it is

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the word of Corbin I see with a quick

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Leaf through uh has he given you any

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encouragement any support um well I've

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met and talked to him a couple of times

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but I think he's got a lot of other

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things on his plate it'd be great if he

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mention um we talked to him about it and

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he's approved of it but um it'd be nice

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or mention it around any post well it

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doesn't seem too much to ask you've got

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him on every page of uh of viewers I

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you can't compete with news you can't

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compete even with the Morning Star for

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news can you I think we possibly can

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newspapers and we're building that as we

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going along by learning by trial and

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error but one thing we can do and we're

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people who are into certain subjects for

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leads in who's building up a Facebook

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group for people who are left wing and

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different team and each write about

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their team then we could have it funnier

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any mainstream so how large is your pool

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of volunteers that contribute we we've

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written for us so far there's well over

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a 100 um volunteers have done things

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paper on their Facebook pages there

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several thousand that's good well that's

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very encouraging but let me go back to

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my Niche point you you you need to it

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provide that has to be analysis it has

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to be inside information it has to be uh

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a look back historically which in my

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opinion there's far too little of we

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have done some of that um we've had uh

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in Hudson writes for us um in a couple

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of columns um Manel Cortez is um written

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piece uh we've got I think about 20 or

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are going in there several scientists so

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we do like to get a balanced idea and I

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think it's these sort of people who who

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feel so strongly and so angry that they

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want an outlet for their views and they

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look in the mainstream media and they

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don't see one well what do you think

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mean when you look at a news stand I

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buy no newspapers I wouldn't

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I I buy yours and I'd buy the Morning

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Star but the mainstream newspapers

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forget it uh how bad is it out there in

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the mainstream press we being angry we

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just laugh now we we we think it's there

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must be a great Niche and we're thinking

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of doing a a page spread each addition

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on how bad are the mainstream media and

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some of the lies and just put in the

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truth of what they said um like I said

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we're crowdfunding again on um

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crowdfunder as the anti-s sun because

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that's what we hope to be we hopefully

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be B Ed think the sun aren't you know

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tell the truth be real uh look at things

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from a balanced point of view I mean for

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some subjects for instance the EU

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referendum we kind of split 50/50 on

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that but we argued it we thought we put

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a fairly balanced argument either side

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and told the truth not the absolutely

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ridiculous things that were being said

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in the mainstream media well the wall of

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racism and xenophobia that one sees

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outside any news agent the mest glance

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at it would you're right May make you

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laugh uh but they're not laughing and

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they're not laughing all the way to the

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bank because most of those newspapers

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will remain unsold newspapers are fast

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going out of business we've got to hope

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that the word is the exception to the

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rule the very best of luck with it and

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thanks for giving me a platform in it

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too thanks very much Alan Davis coming

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up what is next for the perch The

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Expelled the Damned in today's scarcely

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functional labor party do miss

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it welcome back to Sputnik let me

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declare an interest I was expelled by

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the labor party over the Iraq War 13

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years ago I said then that they would Ru

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the day and so they did twice expulsions

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have always been a method of control in

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labor politics one of those giving

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evidence in my support when I was being

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expelled was Michael foot who went on to

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be the party's leader many of the great

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and good in labor history like NY beavan

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were expelled at one time or another

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Mass expulsions however are something

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new but it has become a fine art after

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the victory of Jeremy Corbin as labor

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leader and the great inner party

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struggle this has sparked literally

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thousands maybe hundreds of thousands

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were suspended mainly and in some cases

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expelled by the anti- Corbin labor

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national executive committee now many

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are being being welcomed back by the

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same people who suspended them now that

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the Voting is over and Corbin has been

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reelected one of those suspended and now

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welcomed back is more sincerely welcomed

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here today he's Charlie Allen a

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columnist on the Morning Star as I once

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was myself Charlie welcome to the show

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and welcome back to the labor party if I

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can say so as a non-member uh what was

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it all about what what were the pretexts

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at least well I think you have to look

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at the purge as a kind of weapon of mass

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suspension I wish IID said that they um

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basically the labor machine the anti-

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Corbin labor

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machine suspended thousands of members

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we don't know how many yet they refuse

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to say at least 3,000 but quite possibly

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more basically without any investigation

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to deprive us of our vote um in the

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leadership election and now on the

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flimsiest of reasons and it's true there

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were some abusive comments by some

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people on on social media most of them

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not labor members but thousands of us

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were suspended for for the most

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flimsiest of reasons like I Ed the

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phrase Blair right hooligan and that was

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flagged up and used as as one of the

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reasons for for me the least you could

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say really the player I huligan I

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thought was pretty pretty mild it was

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the time of the Euro Cup and you know I

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was making they were smashing up the

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party but no that that didn't get past

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the the the party's witch Hunters who um

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as I say now that the election's over

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thousands of us again without any

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investigation have been welcomed back

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into the party with a formal warning

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that's going to remain on our file and

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um our vote has gone and uh Not only was

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our vote gone we couldn't go to the

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labor party National Conference which

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was just after the the the leadership

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was out we've been locked out of our

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local labor party uh you know uh

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democracy because haven't been able to

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go to agms and stuff like that so so I

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lost my place on my local executive

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committee that there's been you know uh

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you know huge huge uh ramifications to

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this but the party just wants to sweep

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it under the under the carpet now

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welcome welcome us back give us a

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warning let's all move on but there I

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can tell you there are thousands of us

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um and I've met a lot of them on social

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media and we're not prepared to move on

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we want to have some kind of justice for

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for the purged quite so um the reason

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why we speculated perhaps hundreds of

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thousands is of course because there

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wasn't just one purge there was two so

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there were people who were purged by the

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artificial shifting of a deadline which

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hadn't existed previously then there

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were people whose votes simply got lost

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in the post in the electronic post then

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there were those who were purposefully

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suspended like you some like some

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friends of mine who were purposefully

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expelled for for equally flimsy reasons

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and the labor party will not say how

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many are involved in all of these uh

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categories it must have been done with a

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view to influencing the outcome and yet

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the outcome for anyone with eyes to see

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was scarcely ever in doubt sure right

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yeah it it was a like a failed attempt

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like the coup itself against Jeremy

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Corin ended in Failure but that didn't

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stop them trying and it's interesting if

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you look at the keyword that they use

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because we now know that they basically

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trolled through our social media So when

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you say they trolled they were

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physically they didn't have machine well

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they would go into onto Twitter as far

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as we understand it type in these key

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words which you know include words like

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traitor yeah a word in the in the red

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flag so we can't essentially even quote

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our own song um uh words like rat uh

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hooligan blairite huligan they they they

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they went through a Twitter which is not

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it's not clear that they have the legal

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right to do that and anyway there's data

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protection laws and in fact there's

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there is it clear that the person

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involved necessarily sent the tweet in

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some cases they were retweets in some

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cases there was a mistake in identity my

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wife tweets uh in my name I tweet in her

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name how do they know who tweeted there

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was no investigation of these things

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that's the most shocking thing there was

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no investigation before we were

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suspended and there was no investigation

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um uh to to un un suspender so it it

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it's so obvious if there was no it's so

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transparent but of course they went to

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the high court on appeal right and won

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the appeal right uh and the basis of

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their appeal is that the Court held that

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the national executive committee can

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change anything that it likes can write

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or rewrite any rule that it likes that

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that seemed I mean the Court ruling was

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quite complicated and quite messy and I

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don't know there are several reasons for

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that but that seems to be an impression

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that they can just make it up as as they

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go along and in terms of they wouldn't

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let anyone who joined after January

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there's like kind of a six-month

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retrospective free date which is a kind

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of an unheard of thing retrospective it

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reminds me a bit of these retrospective

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ban words like traitor um you know they

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weren't no one was told they were banned

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and and and and they weren't actually

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banned until months after we we we used

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them so it's this whole retrospective

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Justice it's a violation of of natural

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Justice I will say there's another

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category of people who Ed and that that

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was the the registered supporters that

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the 25ers these are people who paid £25

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they had a two-day window to do it um to

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to to to sign up which would give them a

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vote um and thousands of them tens of

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thousands of of them the party took the

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money and then said sorry no vote for

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you and then it took the money to go to

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High Court yeah they used they used the

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members money against the members was

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was you or couldn't have made this story

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up it brings the party into disrepute

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let's be honest who is going to join the

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labor party now or or what are they

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going to be thinking and they think well

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I'm I'm going to join but is my social

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media going to be trolled through do I

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have to watch what I say can I not use

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the word tra I mean we can all agree

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that hate speech has got no place in the

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labor party but then who decides the

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line between hate speech and Free Speech

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where do they draw the line it's these

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the the bureaucrats the Party Machine

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and the way that they Define it the way

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they drove a line it does look a lot

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like they're targeting the Corin Easter

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well yeah I mean you you'd have to to to

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paraphrase a judge one time you'd have

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to be a a blind in a hurry uh not

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to see what they're up to right um

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Jeremy Corbin himself is effectively

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powerless to deal with this because of

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the situation on the national executive

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committee where depending on uh what the

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issue is he he doesn't have a a majority

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it's very difficult for him especially

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because the part's now on a kind of

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election footing the last thing he wants

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is to trigger a huge you know into to

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exacerbate the internal Civil War he

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just wants to make peace move on get the

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party machine working properly as it

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should do you have to remember that

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since he was elected um the Party

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Machine hasn't really been working for

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the leadership very well remember they

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on the day of his first inauguration

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they all came to it wearing black back

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because it was they thought of it as a

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funeral and since then I've heard it

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described as a kind of work to R you

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know that the the leadership office will

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say okay I need we need this press

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release done or we need uh this opinion

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poll um taken or we need to get some

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data and the Machine will go okay sure

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we'll get on that and then nothing will

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happen and then they ring up what's

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what's going oh no no we're just waiting

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for there are all these obstacles that

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are kind of thrown in in in the leaders

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ship well that's why G's opening WS

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about scarcely functional uh it is

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actually now scarcely functional the

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labor party they are for example the the

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leader took an exceptionally fine view

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on the sale of arms to Saudi Arabia the

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use of those arms and slaughtering

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civilians in Yemen and there was mass

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extension deliberately conspiratorially

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contrived with their own

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whips to Scupper it and the government

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would have lost the vote if the labor

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members hadn't abstained uh you say

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Labor's on Election footing it's

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scarcely believable as a as an electoral

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force in these circumstances shocking I

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mean if if that doesn't bring the party

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into disrepute I don't know I don't know

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what it does you had um unnamed labor

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MPS been quoted in the Sunday Times a

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couple of weeks ago um basically

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say to to die I mean they're saying that

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I mean I mean in the what whatever world

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you know jokes like that are

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unacceptable but if it was a joke they

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say it was a joke but in this in the you

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know since the tragic murder of

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assassination of of of Joe Cox we just

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can't and these are labor MPS talking to

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talking to to National journalists I I

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just don't I don't understand I don't

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understand why the labor party NEC

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General Secretary don't go after those

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people they're the ones bringing part

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you say you don't understand but I know

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that you do we we all understand why not

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in a word Charlie because we're out of

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time is coup number three going to

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happen I think that we're it's all up

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it's all up in everything's to play for

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at the moment I think that there the

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anti Corbin or the Corbin Skeptics let's

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call them that within the labor party

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are split and most of the the majority

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the kind of Center left they just want

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to win elections they just want to get

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the party back together they want you

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know to repair the machine remember the

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labor party machine is the the greatest

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campaigning machine that's ever been

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built probably and unfortunately at the

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moment there are bits that aren't

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working properly so they need to be

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repaired and um for me person maybe

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because on my Purge letter it was the

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General Secretary Ian McNichols

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signature at the bottom and and and

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everyone else all our all the other

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people who are purged he's the one

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responsible for personally purging us

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using powers given to him he didn't have

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to suspend us without an investigation

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that was his choice and I think his

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position really is untenable now and for

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us to move on as a party I don't think

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there should be a Purge of the right or

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anything I don't believe in purges but

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for us to move on I think the general

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secretary should realize that he's lost

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the confidence of of his members do a

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decent thing and then I think together

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as as a party we can move on Charlie

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Allen thanks for joining

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us and now it's your turn to tell us

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what you think through the portals of

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social media what's rling gri uh so we

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told um the audience that we would have

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a a purge member of uh the labor party

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uh on the show and in response we cut we

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received so many of people who

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experiened the same kenot to for example

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5 member sarily told that I had tweeted

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something bad and barred from voting

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silence ever since 25 poorer and I Laina

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says many of us now unsuspended after a

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huge outcry but with a bogus warning on

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our file illegal

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unspeakable and intolerable should not

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be tolerated yeah and it's a good thing

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that they don't leave it lying like that

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well that's all the tweet that we have

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for today which alas means that's the

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end of the show but you can stay in

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touch with us on social media on Twitter

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at rtor Sputnik or on Facebook Sputnik

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on Russia today it's goodbye from me

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gatri and from me George Galloway it's

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been marvelous

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